Show notes:

• Our online course The Roadmap as part of our online vegan cooking school
• Verena Kacinskis' website: verenakacinskis.com
• Verena Kacinskis' instagram: @verenakacinskis
• Verena Kacinskis' passion project instagram on vegan food: @minhacozinhavirouumjardin
• Book: The Gifts of Imperfection by Dr. Brené Brown Ph.D L.M.S.W
• Brené Brown's Podcast: Unlocking Us
• Videos by Allain de Botton "The School of Life"
• Esther Perel
  

A very special guest joins me today for an interview for the very first time in our podcast's history!

She is not only an expert in her field, but she also happens to be my best friend, of whom you've heard countless stories over the years. I could think of no better person to join us for this very special day.

Verena Kacinskis is a clinical psychologist and researcher. For the past 13 years, she has been integrating the concepts and techniques from Psychology and a healthcare system called BodyTalk, seeking to deepen and expand therapeutic results for her patients. 

Currently, she has been splitting her time between seeing patients and developing content to both educate and encourage self-observation, always with the premise of sharing resources that people can use in their own internal organization processes.

In today's episode we'll be talking about the wounds behind perfectionism, psychological defence mechanisms and what they are, whether perfectionism works as a distraction or a way to control. Verena shares how perfectionism begins to appear in her life and how to catch herself before it takes root (list makers, you're going to LOVE this story), as well as how to come down from a spiral of perfectionism when we're in it. We talk about whether there is ever a prize at the end of the tunnel with perfectionism, and we get to peel the layers of the onion, talking about the deep wound that is at the center of most human suffering.

It's a jam packed episode and I know you will love her as much as I do. Tune into our conversation by clicking the player above and make sure to follow Verena and her work. 

A big thank you to my dear friend, and powerhouse of a woman, Verena Kacinskis for joining us in this very special interview.